Jack Park's Comments

Hi Jack,

Welcome to the group, and thanks for sending the Just-in-Time Learning paper (to which I'll respond properly over the weekend).

David

Thanks for the question Jack - and the GENIS project is welcome to use the iframe facility wherever the team judges it useful to do so.

The iframes embedded on the blog are created using the Share link at the bottom of the Dashboard, which saves the currently displayed strand as a static "snapshot" file—with the file URL and the Embed code displayed on the page and the View live button providing the direct link to the map. Not displaying the live URL on the static page is an idiosyncrasy that's on our list to fix soon.

The Direct URL is in the form of query string: www.debategraph.org?tn=X&fn=Y&v=Z, where:

X = the # number displayed on the element at the top of the desired strand.
Y = the # number displayed on the selected Focus element.
Z = the number displayed on Select view button (minus 1).

David

See
http://www.topicspaces.org:8080/story/1191b4dc833.11c0bf3a_Story

for a DebateGraph Climate Debate imported into a topic map.

Great to see the collaborative process under way!

Hi Jack.

This is shaping up to be an dynamite discussion. Look forward to getting in depth.

George

Jack,

I believe you're working with Adam Cheyer at SRI, not? Are you guys doing anything with, or have you thought about Compendium and Agents?


Doei ... MXS

The water under the bridge metaphor is the sense I'm getting from some of what I have seen on this site. My idea was born in what seemed a virtual vacuum at the time. I then started researching structured discourse and came across a group in New Jersey (if memory serves) and IBIS, of course. But it does look like the idea was in the air and a number of folks were thinking along the same lines.

But I haven't seen anything addressing the scaling issues that I had been interested in. Namely using LSA to bundle consensus thinking and memory trace forgetting to prune the topic tree. I'd also like to know if the topic tree backbone idea imposes more structure (just the right amount of structure) than is typically found in IBIS derived mapping methods.

I don't know if this group wants to get into those kinds of issues, or even if there is a publication venue that I should consider for a trial balloon paper.

By 'sensemaking forge' are you meaning a general purpose platform that might have larger uses than global wicked issue exploration?

Regards
George

Thanks for the feedback Jack. I will take a look at your site.

So much to explore!

George

Hi Jack,
I've just created a subgroup for Bay Area folks who might want to take advantage of our regional colocation. If your interested please go to the Groups tab and join the 'SF Bay Area' group.
Thanks!
Jeff

Sorry for the triviality of the remark Jack, but any time when I look at your photos on your page with Safari, I,m obliged to reboot my computer
Pierre

Pierre's comment about this page is spot on. There is a script that hangs this page. I believe it is a script related to the "My Photos" viewer, which, unfortunately, I have no control over. I cannot even disable the widget. The issue may be due to the fact that I uploaded a file into photos which is not a photo. I might go in and see if that's the case. If so, I'll delete the file.

Hi Jack,
Thank you for the supportive comments. My website is temporarily down ( moving to another server).
I am glad to see that you are working on CALO. I am using Openiris too but not being able to have have it be fully functional (email and calendering functions).

Hi Jack,

You bet. I saw this group trying to tackle wicked problems. At some point it would be great to see what you could do with our software. Still somewhat beta and largely for enterprise clients but we'd love to help you all one day. I'll be sending an invite to you and a few others here soon as it becomes stable enough to share with a few more people. Best, Mike

Thanks! Very pleased to be here. The kenyersel discussion method is based on philosophical dialogue methods of Lipman, McCall, and others, with a good bit of our own experimentation. We ran a series of groups and tutorials with variations on the rules. We played less emphasis on the attitude of participants and more on the practical features. I should probably write something about the history of our method sometime... and perhaps something about our experience with specific dialogue devices, such as paraphrasing.

At the moment I'm mostly focusing on building something like discussion forums that helps filter repetition and inappropriate content, but which still keeps track of the history of discussion to preserve accountability. I've used compendium a good deal in the past, and have just started looking at debategraph.

I very much hope to have such methods used to measure the quality of the content of political discussions (and thereby politicians), also applies to news papers. I also hope to integrate these methods into political and legal processes. One powerful way forward is as an improved method of consultation.

Hi Jack, thanks for your interest. I am working on this. I'll let you know when it becomes available. My mind is racing with all these new links made recently through GS and its network, to see how i can display my work in a way that shows how it is different but related to the best out there.

Hi Jack,

Here is a link to a 2004/5 paper which employed a simple technique for 'heuristic' thinking.

Pls note the graphics are number based (base 5, but like base 2 or 10, all numbers are available) allowing people to make their own arguments, or to import their models and structured information from other debates, papers, models etc. while using a common format.

It has the aim of clarifying the 'tricky bits' of argument and allowing people to co-argue together using a method designed to be so simple a 5 yr old could use it (a stick and sand method so it does not depend on tech. but has to work with it)...we started off with simple graphics like the boxes in this example, but these formats can be related to any graphic template/shape for dynamic visualiation once the appropriate numerical grid is applied to the data content.

I'm excited by the debategraph technology because it's so well conceived and built that i think my unique user interface (not shown, but we are working to create a beta version) can provide another expression of the same principles, open-communication, transparent information, co-participation in content development and graphic/visualization of complex data relations, that this and the other visualization software linked to this site all seem to employ. It might even dovetail with debategraph in a front-end, back-end relation to add a new dimension to both systems...?

http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cache:msS3l7BNnYUJ:www.i-r-i-e.net/inhalt/002/ijie_002_04_beckett.pdf+robert+beckett+karlsruhr&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk&client=firefox-a

NB the editors duplicated one of the models at the end of the paper, so there is an error if you get that far!
regards robert

Jack.

Pleased to be new/today to this network. You'll find that the web address I submitted doesn't currently work; I've just found out it's being worked on.

I've worked largely with marginalized peoples for years, and this has had the effect of marginalizing my mediated communication access and therefore literacy, so I'll thank you in advance for your patience.

Hard to communicate how happy I am to have happened upon this network as I reconnected with my old passion of dialogue this week. I'm reinventing myself vocationally right now, and it's led me right back to my old loves of our planet, peace, writing and deep dialogue.

You asked about links to my work. Most of my work has been situated in the community, not in cyberspace. I can send you a paper I wrote for two upper /graduate level environmental classes I took a few years back just for fun in the Gaylord Nelson Environmental Institute at the University of Wisconsin-Madison, if there is a way to get a Word doc to you. I took all sorts of liberties from traditional academic strictures because I was unconcerned with grades or actually publishing at the time.

At 59 going on 60, I'm determined to live my passion for dialogue and to contribute to healing our planet for the rest of my life. Joining this network and collaborating on our common wicked problems is where my time and talent goes now.

Look forward to hearing from you.

Lynne

Sure, Jack. I could do that.

FYI The prof didn't want me to pursue the paper topic (dialogue lit review), but it astounded me that as an adult/environmental educator he seemed so unaware of and uninterested in dialogue. So, I decided to do it anyway and to see who was doing and saying what about dialogue these days, and to write the paper in a way that might both get him interested and be fun for me. I was really quite ill at the time, but never-the-less had a great time doing this. As a writer, the prof who taught the class gave us the unusual grad level parameters of no more than 15pp, one page of references, and copy that could be/made publishable for general interest (this was a life sciences communications environmental education programs and campaigns 900/grad level class).

Am I in a non-geek minority in the network? :)

How do you plan to impact the Climate Change gathering?

What might be a useful role for one such as me in this network?

Just talked to a geeky couple I referred to the network once I found you earlier today and who are two of the "latetolunchpoets" of the no longer .com -- we'll be redoing everything, so I'll be websiteless for a while..

Thanks

Lynne

I don't know Jack. I'm back home now and getting a better look at the home page eg your book. That paper I mentioned is pretty basic stuff, as I said, my humble effort to get the guy to pay attention to dialogue as his use of it could impact environmental discourse in this state/WI and the USA. But who knows, maybe it'll strike a chord and it's all I have on hand. As I said, I've worked where the rubber hits the road in recent years. Your book looks interesting, will read more tomorrow. Lynne

Hallo Mr Jack,
Yes I donot have my web page, this happened by mistake. Thanks.