A new name, a proposed approach - Global Sensemaking2024-03-29T05:03:37Zhttp://globalsensemaking.net/forum/topic/show?id=2052744%3ATopic%3A2082&feed=yes&xn_auth=noGeorge,
Thanks for the quest…tag:globalsensemaking.net,2008-05-14:2052744:Comment:22012008-05-14T08:15:04.000ZDavid Pricehttp://globalsensemaking.net/profile/DavidPrice
George,<br />
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Thanks for the questions.<br />
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> We started calling "nodes" "elements" based on feedback that the term "node" was confusing and off-putting to a non-specialist audience. Whether "element" is any clearer is an open question (and, of course, its adoption confuses the dialogue with specialists). I would be interested to learn more about the feedback that others have received on the terminology they are using—and defining a common, universally intelligible terminology might be an…
George,<br />
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Thanks for the questions.<br />
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> We started calling "nodes" "elements" based on feedback that the term "node" was confusing and off-putting to a non-specialist audience. Whether "element" is any clearer is an open question (and, of course, its adoption confuses the dialogue with specialists). I would be interested to learn more about the feedback that others have received on the terminology they are using—and defining a common, universally intelligible terminology might be an interesting project for the group...<br />
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> The rating feature in Debategraph allows the different element types to be sorted vertically, so that higher-rated sibling elements are displayed above their lower-rated siblings. You can also apply a filter to any given map display to "filter out" (i.e. remove from view) any elements with an average rating below a value that you specify.<br />
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> During an editing session, you have the option to move existing elements to different locations on a map—and to change the element type, where necessary, to facilitate this process.<br />
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> We intend to create a manual for Debategraph soon that explains the deeper functionality; however, thus far our focus has been on trying to provide as much guidance as possible in context using the Dashboard messages and Infotip rollover messages.<br />
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Feedback on any of the above and the further areas for improvement will be much appreciated—and if you would find it helpful to schedule a time for me to guide you through the features on screen, I would be delighted to do so.<br />
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David David,
Does the rating featu…tag:globalsensemaking.net,2008-05-14:2052744:Comment:21612008-05-14T01:26:57.000ZGeorge E. Mobushttp://globalsensemaking.net/profile/GeorgeEMobus
David,<br />
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Does the rating feature allow us to essentially vote for an argument object (is that what you call a node???) If so, is there a protocol such that if an entry gets an unfavorable rating it is removed from the map, or placed elsewhere?<br />
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I guess what I am looking for, more broadly, is a way to rearrange the map if many feel that a topic (my terminology for the moment) does not belong at one level - move it to an appropriate level.<br />
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I guess I should simply read more about…
David,<br />
<br />
Does the rating feature allow us to essentially vote for an argument object (is that what you call a node???) If so, is there a protocol such that if an entry gets an unfavorable rating it is removed from the map, or placed elsewhere?<br />
<br />
I guess what I am looking for, more broadly, is a way to rearrange the map if many feel that a topic (my terminology for the moment) does not belong at one level - move it to an appropriate level.<br />
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I guess I should simply read more about Debategraph!<br />
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George Hi George,
Thanks for adding…tag:globalsensemaking.net,2008-05-14:2052744:Comment:21492008-05-14T00:19:53.000ZDavid Pricehttp://globalsensemaking.net/profile/DavidPrice
Hi George,<br />
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Thanks for adding expanded text for the Human Nature Challenges element on the map.<br />
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I have embedded a snapshot of the map at the bottom of the Main page of the Ning site; so that the group can keep track of changes to the map as it evolves.<br />
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David
Hi George,<br />
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Thanks for adding expanded text for the Human Nature Challenges element on the map.<br />
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I have embedded a snapshot of the map at the bottom of the Main page of the Ning site; so that the group can keep track of changes to the map as it evolves.<br />
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David David and all,
I've register…tag:globalsensemaking.net,2008-05-13:2052744:Comment:21462008-05-13T23:43:06.000ZGeorge E. Mobushttp://globalsensemaking.net/profile/GeorgeEMobus
David and all,<br />
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I've registered and edited the Understanding Human Nature Challenges expanded text. Not sure where to go from here, but maybe it's good to wait till others have had a chance to look and report back.<br />
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This is fun!<br />
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George
David and all,<br />
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I've registered and edited the Understanding Human Nature Challenges expanded text. Not sure where to go from here, but maybe it's good to wait till others have had a chance to look and report back.<br />
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This is fun!<br />
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George George and Jack,
Thank you:…tag:globalsensemaking.net,2008-05-13:2052744:Comment:21412008-05-13T22:06:24.000ZDavid Pricehttp://globalsensemaking.net/profile/DavidPrice
George and Jack,<br />
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Thank you: this is a marvellously rich and stimulating discussion.<br />
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I have bashed out a quick, first <a href="http://debategraph.org/default.aspx?sig=5331-5331-4-0">interpretation of George's map in Debategraph</a>—which is open to editing, rating, and comments now (after <a href="https://debategraph.org/sf/Login.aspx">log-in</a>) for anyone interested in experimenting with, and building on, the map beyond the confines of the forum discussion.<br />
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The direct URL to the map…
George and Jack,<br />
<br />
Thank you: this is a marvellously rich and stimulating discussion.<br />
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I have bashed out a quick, first <a href="http://debategraph.org/default.aspx?sig=5331-5331-4-0">interpretation of George's map in Debategraph</a>—which is open to editing, rating, and comments now (after <a href="https://debategraph.org/sf/Login.aspx">log-in</a>) for anyone interested in experimenting with, and building on, the map beyond the confines of the forum discussion.<br />
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The direct URL to the map is:<br />
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<a href="http://debategraph.org/default.aspx?sig=5331-5331-4-0">http://debategraph.org/default.aspx?sig=5331-5331-4-0</a><br />
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Happy to guide anyone through the process of exploring and building on the map at any time.<br />
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David I like this approach, for rea…tag:globalsensemaking.net,2008-05-13:2052744:Comment:21212008-05-13T17:30:45.000ZJack Parkhttp://globalsensemaking.net/profile/JackPark
I like this approach, for reasons beyond the mention of topic maps (my favorite hat!). Let me take a moment to compare vernaculars (personal ontologies) just so that we can all stay on the same page, not to criticize anything George has said. I guess I'm playing "salesperson" to establish what I mean by topic maps and, perhaps, point out some advantages of topic maps over concept maps (described below).<br />
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In general "graph notation" there are nodes and there are edges, where nodes represent…
I like this approach, for reasons beyond the mention of topic maps (my favorite hat!). Let me take a moment to compare vernaculars (personal ontologies) just so that we can all stay on the same page, not to criticize anything George has said. I guess I'm playing "salesperson" to establish what I mean by topic maps and, perhaps, point out some advantages of topic maps over concept maps (described below).<br />
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In general "graph notation" there are nodes and there are edges, where nodes represent concepts/entities/topics/subjects (lots of different names for the same idea), and edges represent relationships between nodes. That's largely the vernacular of Concept Maps, invented by Joe Novak for teaching purposes. Visit <a href="http://cmap.ihmc.us/">here</a> for more on that. Concept maps are profoundly important tools; indeed, Compendium is a concept mapping tool. Cohere, on the other hand, is much closer to a topic mapping tool.<br />
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The topic maps folks, mostly started by Steve Newcomb who invented the HyTime SGML standard because he was looking for a way to represent music, take the idea of a relationship to the next level; relations (called <i>associations</i>) are nodes themselves, meaning the tiny arcs that connect nodes are not representations of relationships anymore. Newcomb invented topic maps when he was asked to help organize the entire GNU documentation project. Topic maps, in essence, are like the index in the back of a book, where, in our case, the book is the entire web. Topic maps take things further than a book index: they allow one to model all the relationships found "in the book" directly in the map itself.<br />
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Topic maps come in essentially three flavors: SGML, XML, and the latest TMRM flavor, but they are all part of the ISO 13250 standard. TMRM stands for "topic maps reference model" and it makes no specification for an XML serialization; rather, it grants greater syntactical freedom to represent topics. For that reason, to avoid confusion, we say we are "subject mapping" when working with the TMRM, but, at heart, it's still topic mapping.<br />
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Why represent associations? So that they can also be "first class citizens" in the map and serve as actors/targets of other relationships, or discussions. Certainly, it's possible to reify arcs in concept maps as nodes; subject maps start with the premise that everything in the map is, itself, a subject, including the property (attribute) types used to represent subjects. Consider George's "Population Changes" under which there are several (what I call) <i>facets</i> or aspects of that subject. I wouldn't model those as sub-classes; rather, I see them as akin to properties or possibly even special kinds of relations for that subject (as well as for other subjects).<br />
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What I like about topic maps is that they permit you to take some subject and represent all the many ways that subject is named; this helps reduce ambiguity when several subjects have the same name (my own name is terribly ambiguous in Google unless you add, say, "topic map" to the query in which case I own Google ), where you can just add some other property or relation to the query and rapidly disambiguate.<br />
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A topic map allows us to <i>federate</i> all the many information resources, which include the work products of the tools of hypermedia discourse, email lists, forums, and stories and articles everywhere. I use the term federate in contrast to the terms aggregate or integrate for specific reasons. First, topic maps aggressively merge representations of the same subject. Thus, topic maps don't simply aggregate (collect); they organize. Second, integration, as used in database and ontology literature, frequently implies information loss: people select what to combine. My use of the term federate insists that nothing is lost; even disagreeable world views find their way into the same map, yielding opportunities for dialogue, and learning. The map looks really helpful…tag:globalsensemaking.net,2008-05-13:2052744:Comment:21012008-05-13T13:29:20.000ZMark Kleinhttp://globalsensemaking.net/profile/MarkKlein
The map looks really helpful - thanks for contributing that.
The map looks really helpful - thanks for contributing that.